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The US Election and Sundry Politics Thread
September 18th 2008, 01:50 CEST by Jamie

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#7 by Jamie
2008-09-18 04:30:57
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#8 by Jibble
2008-09-18 04:53:22
I agree with what Ergo wrote.

As for the hacked e-mails, it's pretty damn funny. It's already been revealed that her staff discussed doing government business on private accounts to avoid subpoenas, so I have little sympathy for them. I haven't seen what leaked out, so I don't know how damning it is. I'm sure the right wingers will suddenly become very concerned about the privacy of people's personal e-mails.

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#9 by bishop
2008-09-18 05:08:04
http://www.darkintel.org/00FF00/
The privacy of their personal emails, maybe.
#10 by bago
2008-09-18 05:09:21
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O/b/ama !

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#11 by Jibble
2008-09-18 05:11:10
Ahh, I love conspiracy theorists. They're saying the hack was staged so she could delete the e-mails in a "panic".

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

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#12 by bishop
2008-09-18 05:11:51
http://www.darkintel.org/00FF00/
They're hacking into the power grid!
#13 by bago
2008-09-18 05:12:03
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This just fits so perfectly into the John McCain can't use computers but invented the blackberry and has a VP who conducts govt business on private emails to skirt the law but those 14 year olds from /b hacked her yahoo because al Gore invented the internet while Clinton was getting a blowjob thing.

Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as "optical intercourse" — staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as "making eye babies."
#14 by Jibble
2008-09-18 05:14:22
What?

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#15 by CheesyPoof
2008-09-18 05:15:00
It's one thing to use a personal email address to avoid official record retention as required by law, but it's strikes me at very amateurish to use yahoo email. It would only be worse if it was aol.com.

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#16 by bago
2008-09-18 05:18:59
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People made fun of al Gore because he "invented the internet". Yesterday a McCain aide more or less said McCain invented the BlackBerry. The current administration was using RNC.org email addresses to avoid the hatch act, and Palin was doing the same, only being retarded and using Yahoo. Then /b/ tards hack her email account and get into a fight over it, but more or less expose the fact that she has been breaking the law.

People's reactions to this are very confused and highly amusing.

Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as "optical intercourse" — staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as "making eye babies."
#17 by lwf
2008-09-18 05:20:06
Obama isn't going to win.

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#18 by TreeFrog
2008-09-18 05:20:39
I've seen /b/ boil over with a few things, but never self-satisfaction.

Also the "is this sexist?" picture is awesome.

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#19 by TreeFrog
2008-09-18 05:20:56
lwf (#17):
Obama isn't going to win.

You shut your filthy mouth.

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#20 by CheesyPoof
2008-09-18 05:49:15
Since g-man is to busy posting the deficiencies in jamie's reading list, I read this bit from what sounds like an attorney on another forum:

And the exclusionary rule doesn't apply here, because the state of alaska has the fully legal recourse of subpoenaing Yahoo! to get access to the e-mails. The existence of the e-mails was revealed through an illegal private action, but that does not taint the evidence (it is no different from an informant providing evidence that an individual is involved in criminal activity, and the police using that information to secure a warrant). So though I too don't like the idea of hacking into e-mail, intentionally using private e-mail to thwart an investigation is known as obstruction of justice, and is a crime (though I don't know if the investigation into Palin was a criminal investigation).


So it looks like this could get some traction.

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#21 by G-Man
2008-09-18 07:11:28
The fact that evidence is stolen (or obtained through other illegal or unethical acts) doesn't necessarily exclude its use in a civil case. Even if it was done at the direction of the lawyer or client who wants to use the evidence.
#22 by bago
2008-09-18 12:55:20
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You know, except for the obviously gay gladhandling bit at the end the Maddow show is pretty good. Nice to see some research on TV.

Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as "optical intercourse" — staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as "making eye babies."
#23 by Tom Chick
2008-09-18 14:02:16
suck my nuts u twats
#24 by m0nty
2008-09-18 14:03:30
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Goodness gracious, Tom Chick sure does have a potty mouth these days.
#25 by Matt Perkins
2008-09-18 17:22:55
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It's cute and all to try to get Palin in trouble over this, but isn't it just a wee bit hypocritical to attempt to prosecute her when we let the president and his ilk do exactly what people want her to get into trouble for? I don't remember them going to trial...

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#26 by jjohnsen
2008-09-18 17:55:23
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I really dislike Palin.

#27 by Matt Perkins
2008-09-18 18:51:01
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Anyone who has half a brain does.

"some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#28 by Jibble
2008-09-18 18:54:28
Odd that it took a total financial meltdown for these retards to finally realize that letting giant corporations do whatever the hell they want to all the time might not work out very well, especially when it comes to leveraging things against imaginary money.

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#29 by mgns
2008-09-18 18:59:00
Also the whole "Government should not interfere with the private sector! Oh, look at that. The market just went kaput. Mommy, come bail us out?!"

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#30 by jjohnsen
2008-09-18 19:04:38
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I guess it's only bad if the government gets involved in healthcare, not stupid financial companies.

#31 by Dethstryk
2008-09-18 19:38:57
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Obama should be elected just to get us a step closer to fucking UHC.

Why people think that companies who care about their bottom line should be providing health care blows my goddamn mind.

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#32 by Matt Perkins
2008-09-18 19:48:44
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Dethstryk (#31):
Why people think that companies who care about their bottom line should be providing health care blows my goddamn mind.

Because a fair number of people are convinced that not only do we live in a free market, but that the market will balance it self. Why do they think that? Because the people who own the politicians tell them to say that...

"some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#33 by FoRmaT
2008-09-18 19:53:03
In Spain & Germany, everybody gets healthcare.

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#34 by Ergo
2008-09-18 20:28:38
We know.

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#35 by G-Man
2008-09-18 20:34:58
And that's the same Spain and Germany you can't find a job in, right?
#36 by LPMiller
2008-09-18 20:41:14
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Matt Perkins
It's cute and all to try to get Palin in trouble over this, but isn't it just a wee bit hypocritical to attempt to prosecute her when we let the president and his ilk do exactly what people want her to get into trouble for? I don't remember them going to trial...



Because the people going after Palin, including some members of her own party, are state reps and having nothing to do with the national government? It's only hypocritical if it's the same people.

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#37 by Shadarr
2008-09-18 20:42:58
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Because a fair number of people are convinced that not only do we live in a free market, but that the market will balance it self.

Well, the market will balance itself.  All those companies that took on too much risk would go bankrupt, all those houses people couldn't afford would be foreclosed, all those pension funds that invested in CDOs or companies that were exposed to CDOs would get wiped out.  The market can work out anything and reach a new equilibrium, but that equilibrium might be a new depression.

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#38 by Dumdeedum
2008-09-18 20:48:50
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Woohoo, for the first time in weeks I'm all caught up on my 'crapping!  No more little yellow icons mocking me from the archive page.  It does look like I missed some Ng Yo fun though, which is a shame but I'll survive.

Okay, carry on.

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#39 by None-1a
2008-09-18 21:24:27
#25 by Matt Perkins
It's cute and all to try to get Palin in trouble over this, but isn't it just a wee bit hypocritical to attempt to prosecute her when we let the president and his ilk do exactly what people want her to get into trouble for? I don't remember them going to trial...


The difference is that Palin is involved in an ethics investigation and it appears her yahoo emails are relevent to it. The only time I can remember the same happening to the Bush administration was with the AG scandal and they used executive privilege to avoid giving up information so it never got to a point where haveing email archives or not mattered.

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#40 by Jibble
2008-09-18 21:46:10
The difference is that Palin is involved in an ethics investigation and it appears her yahoo emails are relevent to it. The only time I can remember the same happening to the Bush administration was with the AG scandal and they used executive privilege to avoid giving up information so it never got to a point where haveing email archives or not mattered.

I believe that's still on the Impotent Democratic Congressional Investigation to-do list with regards to actually enforcing subpoenas instead of just letting these assholes laugh at them. Granted, that'd requre them to invoke their inherent contempt powers, but still...I wish I could just tell the courts to go fuck themselves if I ever get a subpoena.

As for her, she's already invoked executive privilege for those e-mails, but I beleive that was in response to an FOIA request. Not sure if she's invoked it with regards to the current investigation. It doesn't really matter, anyway. She McCain's team has already swarmed all over this thing and it'll be delayed until after the election. Her star's already fading anyway, though, so I don't think she'll do much more than mobilize the base. Going to be a close election no matter what, but it's nice to see McCain's poll bubble collapse and Obama regain the lead.

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#41 by Jibble
2008-09-18 21:46:11
The difference is that Palin is involved in an ethics investigation and it appears her yahoo emails are relevent to it. The only time I can remember the same happening to the Bush administration was with the AG scandal and they used executive privilege to avoid giving up information so it never got to a point where haveing email archives or not mattered.

I believe that's still on the Impotent Democratic Congressional Investigation to-do list with regards to actually enforcing subpoenas instead of just letting these assholes laugh at them. Granted, that'd requre them to invoke their inherent contempt powers, but still...I wish I could just tell the courts to go fuck themselves if I ever get a subpoena.

As for her, she's already invoked executive privilege for those e-mails, but I beleive that was in response to an FOIA request. Not sure if she's invoked it with regards to the current investigation. It doesn't really matter, anyway. She McCain's team has already swarmed all over this thing and it'll be delayed until after the election. Her star's already fading anyway, though, so I don't think she'll do much more than mobilize the base. Going to be a close election no matter what, but it's nice to see McCain's poll bubble collapse and Obama regain the lead.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

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#42 by Jibble
2008-09-18 21:47:57
The fuck? I only pushed it once.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

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#43 by Matt Perkins
2008-09-18 22:17:33
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
Jibble (#42):
The fuck? I only pushed it once.

lies


Yeah, our government, or Rove's, however you want to look at it, used the RNC.org email address (and others) so they didn't have to have everything tracked. And then when asked for it, the entire state that the server lived in burned down. Damn freak accidents.

"some of those words want to be other words." - LP
"the concept that a happy worker is a productive worker is hardly an entry from Matt's Big Book Of Things The Fairies Said." - Dum
#44 by bishop
2008-09-18 22:30:11
http://www.darkintel.org/00FF00/
oh my
#45 by gaggle
2008-09-18 22:33:47
What a weird font.

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#46 by Jamie
2008-09-18 22:41:23
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Oh, Photobucket is blocked here at work. Great. Now the Eye of Sauron (AKA the IT Department) will turn its blazing gaze upon me.

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#47 by Jibble
2008-09-18 22:49:01
Yeah, our government, or Rove's, however you want to look at it, used the RNC.org email address (and others) so they didn't have to have everything tracked.

Presidential Records Act? What's that?

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

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#48 by FoRmaT
2008-09-18 22:55:21
G-Man
And that's the same Spain and Germany you can't find a job in, right?


You know, your snark doesn't really deserve an answer, but let me tell you that I had zero-none-keinen-ningun days of holidays during the five years I worked at my last job, except the 15 days leave the company had to give me by law when I got married. So it's not like I'm too lazy to work or whatever your idea might be. But I got sick of that shit and came here, to see if I could find something nice. Yes, it's proven more difficult than I thought to get a decent job over here, and that will probably be a reason for me to go back to Spain, where I know I WILL get a job in under a month. And to tell you even more, I am not enjoying my time here, I don't enjoy living on welfare, I don't enjoy not being able to buy most stuff I wanted like I used in Spain, I hate the cold weather, and all that shit is really depressing me. As in, I'm taking antidepressants. There, I said it. Happy? Not everybody is a college graduate. I'm happy for you that you achieved more in life than I have, and I have more difficulties on the German employment market than someone like you would have, but that doesn't make it cool to piss on me. I'm not the kind of person you think I am.

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#49 by Ergo
2008-09-18 22:58:20
FoRmat, for shame. You have just fed G-Man.

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#50 by FoRmaT
2008-09-18 23:06:55
I had to get that off my chest.

"Action stars of two decades ago shot .44 bullets out of their cocks. Honestly, if me and Charles Bronson were in the same room I'd kill myself just to make sure he didn't hurt me."
#51 by Jibble
2008-09-18 23:12:22
Guys, please, don't get the nazi all worked up. You know how they get.

Lady, people aren't chocolates. But you know what they are, mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling.

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#52 by TreeFrog
2008-09-18 23:44:25
For what it's worth, I think G-Man was having a go at Spain and Germany rather than Format.

If you think universal state-supplied healthcare is all that you should try going to hospital in Britain. You're lucky not to come out with MRSA. Private companies = profit motive = competitors taking all your patients if you perform badly. I'm not seeing where the catch is.

Moat.
#53 by gaggle
2008-09-18 23:47:41
I'm lead to believe that s'long as you got the monies the US system is kind of great. More money you got, more greater it becomes. Which, naturally, is the inherent deep-flawed friggin' problem with the whole thing.

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#54 by Shadarr
2008-09-19 00:35:19
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I'm lead to believe that s'long as you got the monies the US system is kind of great.

Despite spending the most per capita on healthcare, the US doesn't actually get the best results.  Even discounting the people without insurance, Americans get lower quality of care than a lot of countries.

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#55 by BobJustBob
2008-09-19 00:36:12
Didn't you see Sicko? The whole movie is about various people with health insurance who were screwed by the system.

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#56 by mgns
2008-09-19 01:08:09
Private companies = profit motive = competitors taking all your patients if you perform badly.

Health care is unbelievably expensive to provide. There is simply no way for the average working adult to pay for what we have come to believe is a decent standard of care in a private system.

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