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Hybrid of Hope?
July 23rd 2005, 04:35 CEST by Mank

Could there be a true hybrid lurking in the near future?


Planetside uses the PvP FPS model, but instead of becoming better with level, players become better with practice. The main thing -level- does, is allow you to switch between more item sets. A player coming out of the tutorial has enough battle rank to kick the crap out of a higher level player who might not have spent the time to practice with those higher level items. Planetsides system seems to be the best step forward in the future of any new MMOFPS.

There are a few problems that exist with making a persistant MMOFPS where level and skill might replace the 'twitch' aspect of FPS games as they now exist. The biggest hurdle would be the implementation of a system that didnt rely on the mouselook/aiming input system. Popular opinion seems to be that any FPS has to use the conventional mouselook/aiming mechanic to be a true FPS.

I think it's entirely possible that a MMOFPS could maintain the first person perspective in combat, but I'm not sure if there is a solution to the server resolution(client data) issues(of a massively multiplayer FPS). Another issue would be the type(s) of RPG elements used, and the overall effect on the players willingness to remain persistant in the game world. IMHO, any form of level treadmills or skill trees would not be very popular as the means of maintaining persistance in the game world. Replacing the 'twitch' factor that FPS players thrive on, with a mechanism that rewards over time, is definately the hard part. On the other side of that coin are the elements needed to draw the RPG players to a FPS perspective game, and keep them.

FPS's are PvP by proxy of the deathmatch elements contained in each and, the playing field has to be the same for everyone without exception. The introduction of RPG elements would have to be implemeted in a way where the player is rewarded for their persistance, while at the same time maintaining positive control of the power differential in the core gameplay.

There are a few games in the works that look very promising:

Twilight War
 
Tabula Rosa

If you read the FAQ's for these games, it becomes apparent that these companies are thinking outside the mold when it comes to some of the features that are listed for these games. Definately interesting....if, and when, they ever come out..=)


A couple of questions:

Would a PvE combat system be preferable over a PvP system, or a mixture of both?

What types of RPG elements would you desire in such a game?

Discuss! =)
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#42 by Shadarr
2005-07-24 01:52:11
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the reports we've heard so far are wildly inaccurate.  That's why they have reviews and inquiries.

You need to work on your micro before you play a Korean.
#43 by m0nty
2005-07-24 04:21:11
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
The Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, said: "The police acted to do what they believed necessary to protect the lives of the public.

"This tragedy has added another victim to the toll of deaths for which the terrorists bear responsibility."

Er, no Ken, the police are responsible.
#44 by LPMiller
2005-07-24 05:23:07
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
So, I saw Fantastic Four - eh, Thing and Human Torch worked, Reed didn't, though I dunno that anyone could make him work, and Alba just can't act. And doom sucked. You can't have a good superhero movie with a sucky villian. But, it was still ok. Just seemed to sorta end, though.

Then I saw Must Love Dogs at a sneak preview. Pleasent film that fits right in with the other John Cussack chick flicks. I liked it, fit the genre.  Good date film.

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" ó "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#45 by jjohnsen
2005-07-24 07:00:21
http://www.johnsenclan.com
I thought Wedding Crashers was a lot funnier than Old School.  Worth seeing.

Yikes, really?  Old School is one of my favorite comedies of the past 5 years or so, this one didn't compare.   Is this where I insult you and tell you your opinion is worthless?

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
#46 by Sgt Hulka
2005-07-24 07:20:10
I thought Back to School was funnier than Old School and The Wedding Singer is funnier than Wedding Crashers, but not as heart touching as The Wedding Planner.  I'm gonna have to go watch Plan 9 from Outer Space to clear my mind.  

P.S. Faith Hill is a doll and can sing like a bird.

#47 by gaggle
2005-07-24 10:32:34
F4 seemed pretty good to me. I liked Alba, acting and everything, and didn't have any specific issues with Doom or otherwise. Not that I was, like, thoroughly entertained, it was just happy action and stuff, but what was there worked for me about as well as any sappy superhero action movies can be expected to work. It was a damn sight better than Hulk, at least.


Also, I couldn't force my way through Old School. Stopped a little ways in, my toes were curling so much as to almost snap themselves clean off.

"Roses are red, violets are blue. In Soviet Russia, poems write you" - bash.org
#48 by lwf
2005-07-24 10:57:59
What the hell are they doing to their children in your country?

"Then I see his eyes glaze over and I can see it going through his mind: 'Oh my God, I'm going to fuck Marilyn Monroe,' and he can't get it up."
#49 by E-ph0nk
2005-07-24 14:58:19
http://www.electrophonk.be
From what I read in the newspaper, the man (of brazil origin) came out of a house that was under police surveillance - he got followed and when he came to the metro they thought he was acting weird so they wanted to question him - he run away and the rest is about the same as what i've read here.
They shot him in the head because they were ordered to: shooting at other bodyparts might trigger a bomb or explosives if he would indeed carry them.

#50 by Hugin
2005-07-24 15:53:12
lmccain@nber.org
Ah, now that's an interesting tidbit.
#51 by Wudi
2005-07-24 16:06:41
The Earth is broken.

Zep--

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#52 by Dan
2005-07-24 18:14:24
dan@froglord.com
I guess it's time for you to get off, then.
#53 by Sgt Hulka
2005-07-24 19:24:38
Classic video game ads.  This Zelda one from Japan is pretty goofy.

#54 by Your Friend
2005-07-24 21:05:57

Yikes, really?  Old School is one of my favorite comedies of the past 5 years or so, this one didn't compare.   Is this where I insult you and tell you your opinion is worthless?


I think a big part of the reason I liked Wedding Crashers more is I know people who reminded me of a lot of a few different characters.  Also Owen Wilson is a lot funnier than his brother.

Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection,
The lovers, the dreamers, and me.
#55 by Jibble
2005-07-24 22:08:20
Just saw War of the Worlds.  Good buildup, good action scenes, good terror, good Morgan Freeman.  Bad acting, bad character development, bad resolution, bad reminder that the last movie with both Morgan Freeman and Tim Robbins was actually really good.

Props to Spielberg for not making the mistake that Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich would have.  Had either of those two done the movie, there would have been a scene where Tom Cruise found the controls of an alien space ship to be vaguely familiar to the controls of his crane.

SANTAK, BANKOROK, TOMATO!
222 lbs.  42 to go.
#56 by Jibble
2005-07-24 22:08:59
...and then he would say "I have GOT to get me one a' dese!"

SANTAK, BANKOROK, TOMATO!
222 lbs.  42 to go.
#57 by lwf
2005-07-25 01:03:37
Freeman and Robbins were not really in that movie.

"Then I see his eyes glaze over and I can see it going through his mind: 'Oh my God, I'm going to fuck Marilyn Monroe,' and he can't get it up."
#58 by Marsh Davies
2005-07-25 02:31:12
www.verbalchilli.com
I thought War of the Worlds was fucking fantastic. I thought the acting, particularly by Cruise and Fanning, was great. If it's still relevant, I'll post what I thought when I'm less hammered.

#59 by Jibble
2005-07-25 02:38:06
#57 lwf
Freeman and Robbins were not really in that movie.

They're both on the cast list.  Doesn't matter if you never see one of them.

SANTAK, BANKOROK, TOMATO!
222 lbs.  42 to go.
#60 by Marsh Davies
2005-07-25 02:39:15
www.verbalchilli.com
..?

But you see Robbins.

#61 by Marsh Davies
2005-07-25 02:39:31
www.verbalchilli.com
Quite a lot.

#62 by lwf
2005-07-25 03:00:05
He was pretty inconsequential character. Also, the movie sucked.

"Then I see his eyes glaze over and I can see it going through his mind: 'Oh my God, I'm going to fuck Marilyn Monroe,' and he can't get it up."
#63 by Marsh Davies
2005-07-25 03:24:36
www.verbalchilli.com
Wrong.


Anyway, my Pioneer DVD ROM drive has decided it can't change region despite the fact that there's one change remaining. What can I do? I'm at the point where I'm willing to smash the shit out of my computer. Please help me find another option.

#64 by Artur
2005-07-25 03:40:48
Flash it. Or reinstall DirectX.
#65 by Marsh Davies
2005-07-25 03:43:35
www.verbalchilli.com
Useful answers appreciated.

#66 by Artur
2005-07-25 03:54:20
Try here. Remember that PATCHING YOUR DRIVE IS ONLY HALF THE JOB!!!
#67 by Marsh Davies
2005-07-25 04:06:40
www.verbalchilli.com
Enh. I've tried flashing firmware before on the advice of forum members before. It resulted in a oversized smoking beige paperweight. Is this really the only solution? Like I said, it shouldn't even be complaining about regions; it has one change left.

(Thank you nonetheless, Artur, for your pithy pity.)

#68 by G-Man
2005-07-25 04:19:37
Artur gave you the perfect fucking advice. He even linked the best goddamn site for the job. JUST DO WHAT HE SAYS!
#69 by Artur
2005-07-25 04:53:23
You can also steal/buy a copy od AnyDVD. There might be some free alternatives, but I'm not sure which ones will help you with your specific problem.
#70 by Funkdrunk
2005-07-25 05:08:04
jflavius@bellatlantic.net
There is also DVD Region Free as well.

Funk.

I lie awake
Iíve gone to ground
Iím watching porn
In my hotel dressing gown
#71 by Marsh Davies
2005-07-25 10:51:18
www.verbalchilli.com
You beautiful people.

#72 by lwf
2005-07-25 10:51:53
By the way it did suck quite a bit.

"Then I see his eyes glaze over and I can see it going through his mind: 'Oh my God, I'm going to fuck Marilyn Monroe,' and he can't get it up."
#73 by E-ph0nk
2005-07-25 12:03:42
http://www.electrophonk.be
It didn't totally suck, but it's not a good movie.

#74 by Jibble
2005-07-25 15:49:49
Yeah, I won't say it totally sucked.  One reviewer on Rotten Tomatoes summed up my feelings on it pretty well: "May be the most efficiently built engine of escalating terror you will ever encounter. But Spielberg's technique serves no purpose this time except the visceral."

Like I said, good terror.  Spielberg has a gift for building an atmosphere of hopelessness, desperation, and utter fear.  Beyond that, though, the movie fell a bit flat.

SANTAK, BANKOROK, TOMATO!
222 lbs.  42 to go.
#75 by Warren Marshall
2005-07-25 15:56:28
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
That was the best part about the movie for me ... the feeling of "we're fucked" that pervaded it the whole way through.  Nobody stopped to fight the aliens or put up resistance - just run and do whatever you can to avoid death.
#76 by Jibble
2005-07-25 15:59:24
That was certainly well done.  Greatly depressing, really.

SANTAK, BANKOROK, TOMATO!
222 lbs.  42 to go.
#77 by lwf
2005-07-25 15:59:44
That movie jumped the shark when Tom Cruise's gay son joined the army.

"Then I see his eyes glaze over and I can see it going through his mind: 'Oh my God, I'm going to fuck Marilyn Monroe,' and he can't get it up."
#78 by Jibble
2005-07-25 16:01:06
The ending brought back painful memories of the ending to A.I.

SANTAK, BANKOROK, TOMATO!
222 lbs.  42 to go.
#79 by lwf
2005-07-25 16:02:46
I didn't see AI.

"Then I see his eyes glaze over and I can see it going through his mind: 'Oh my God, I'm going to fuck Marilyn Monroe,' and he can't get it up."
#80 by Warren Marshall
2005-07-25 16:05:38
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
What I couldn't understand about the ending was what the hell was going on in that house?  Were they all in there having Sunday dinner or something?  I mean, they came out all dressed nicely and he's standing there looking like he's been dragged through hell and back.  Very odd.
#81 by Sgt Hulka
2005-07-25 16:06:31
Nothing compares to the pain of watching the end of A.I.

#82 by lwf
2005-07-25 16:07:29
I thought the same thing Warren. I was like what the fuck? Fuck you, Boston.

"Then I see his eyes glaze over and I can see it going through his mind: 'Oh my God, I'm going to fuck Marilyn Monroe,' and he can't get it up."
#83 by Jibble
2005-07-25 16:13:25
[SPOILERS]

Well, to me it seemed like a stab at Boston, like "Boston sucks so hard the aliens didn't even bother destroying anything there."  I mean, Ray lived in some shitty suburb in New Jersey and the whole thing was leveled, but they get to Boston and the only damage is where the machines have fallen over into buildings.  That, and the "Oh, I wonder if the son made it out alive?!" with his son.

Then there's all the throwaway characters.  I kind of felt like there was more story to get into with the news crew and the friend of Ray's, but I know Spielberg was trying to keep it focused on how Ray's family was experiencing things.  But then he goes and leaves out the story behind how the hell his son made it to Boston after running into a valley shortly before the entire thing goes up in flames.

[/SPOILERS]

SANTAK, BANKOROK, TOMATO!
222 lbs.  42 to go.
#84 by CheesyPoof
2005-07-25 17:28:08
Saw Episode 3 again. It was even better the second time.
#85 by Hugin
2005-07-25 17:55:05
lmccain@nber.org
Is IRC down?
#86 by lwf
2005-07-25 17:59:04
I can't get in. So, yes.

"Then I see his eyes glaze over and I can see it going through his mind: 'Oh my God, I'm going to fuck Marilyn Monroe,' and he can't get it up."
#87 by yotsuya
2005-07-25 18:14:34
Poof-

It's even better the fourth time.

RE: War of the World

I know Spielberg wanted to keep it a character piece, but I would much rather have seen how the world in general dealt with the aliens. I love the 50s original and how they showed a panicked world.

Don't you have a pretend girlfriend to not be fucking right now, loser?
#88 by Anonymous
2005-07-25 18:46:07
I also wonder why Cruise had to kill Tim Robbins in an over-dramatized scene after all the huge geckos left the old house.

#89 by Warren Marshall
2005-07-25 18:57:30
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I also wonder why Cruise had to kill Tim Robbins in an over-dramatized scene after all the huge geckos left the old house.

He wanted to spare him from having to play that character any longer.
#90 by eggbert
2005-07-25 19:04:59
http://www.stuffresearch.com
Speaking of things that are filmed, what's up with the Battlestar Galactica DVD situation? Apparently the DVD that's coming out this week is actually a "Best Buy exclusive". It also costs $50 for 13 episodes, which is almost like HBO pricing (but there you're actually getting a full hour per episode). Not completely outrageous, but still pretty pricey. Supposedly the non-exclusive comes out many months from now and contains the mini series. What kind of fucked up sales model is that? Now I can't buy this out of principle, I can't support Best Buy attempting to kill the capitalistic model that lets me buy http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=IMA000061Short Circuit[/url] for $6 shipped...
#91 by eggbert
2005-07-25 19:06:07
http://www.stuffresearch.com
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