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Hybrid of Hope?
July 23rd 2005, 04:35 CEST by Mank

Could there be a true hybrid lurking in the near future?


Planetside uses the PvP FPS model, but instead of becoming better with level, players become better with practice. The main thing -level- does, is allow you to switch between more item sets. A player coming out of the tutorial has enough battle rank to kick the crap out of a higher level player who might not have spent the time to practice with those higher level items. Planetsides system seems to be the best step forward in the future of any new MMOFPS.

There are a few problems that exist with making a persistant MMOFPS where level and skill might replace the 'twitch' aspect of FPS games as they now exist. The biggest hurdle would be the implementation of a system that didnt rely on the mouselook/aiming input system. Popular opinion seems to be that any FPS has to use the conventional mouselook/aiming mechanic to be a true FPS.

I think it's entirely possible that a MMOFPS could maintain the first person perspective in combat, but I'm not sure if there is a solution to the server resolution(client data) issues(of a massively multiplayer FPS). Another issue would be the type(s) of RPG elements used, and the overall effect on the players willingness to remain persistant in the game world. IMHO, any form of level treadmills or skill trees would not be very popular as the means of maintaining persistance in the game world. Replacing the 'twitch' factor that FPS players thrive on, with a mechanism that rewards over time, is definately the hard part. On the other side of that coin are the elements needed to draw the RPG players to a FPS perspective game, and keep them.

FPS's are PvP by proxy of the deathmatch elements contained in each and, the playing field has to be the same for everyone without exception. The introduction of RPG elements would have to be implemeted in a way where the player is rewarded for their persistance, while at the same time maintaining positive control of the power differential in the core gameplay.

There are a few games in the works that look very promising:

Twilight War
 
Tabula Rosa

If you read the FAQ's for these games, it becomes apparent that these companies are thinking outside the mold when it comes to some of the features that are listed for these games. Definately interesting....if, and when, they ever come out..=)


A couple of questions:

Would a PvE combat system be preferable over a PvP system, or a mixture of both?

What types of RPG elements would you desire in such a game?

Discuss! =)
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#201 by Penguinx
2005-08-17 14:44:22
A third party on another art forum claims to have rar'ed PDFs downloadable here.

It saved me the work of having to do it myself. If those aren't working, I can upload them from home and host them myself. My home net connection has sucked all week, though, with dial-up like speeds. Fucking ISP.

"Cablanasian... wha de fack is that??? das wha jesus was?" - larafan
#202 by deadlock
2005-08-17 14:59:03
http://www.deadlocked.org/
That's that fixed wireless for you Px, get a fucking real internet connection.

Shall we dance again
In our special way
With our trousers round our knees?
#203 by Penguinx
2005-08-17 16:42:41
I would if one was available. I remember telling you all that the company was VERY shady. Well, my speeds have gone from 2000k/second to around 300k/second best case scenario. They hover around dialup speeds more often than not lately. This after a full week of outages. Pain in the ass, shady ISP.

"Cablanasian... wha de fack is that??? das wha jesus was?" - larafan
#204 by schnee
2005-08-17 18:31:48
david@snowdesign.com
Caryn, if you want to learn to draw, take a figure drawing class and work with real models. The big benefit isn't as much the models as the things you'll see other artists doing, the group/teacher critiques, and the different types of drawing you'll do. In any case, it's great fun, so I'd do it even if you didn't have a professional goal in mind.

BOOM shaka laka laka BOOM
#205 by Jibble
2005-08-17 19:24:45
If you want Caryn to see you naked, just post a link to a picture.  Why the elaborate scheme?

SANTAK, BANKOROK, TOMATO!
220 lbs.  40 to go.
#206 by Hugin
2005-08-17 20:02:29
lmccain@nber.org
I suggest taking a picture of a teakettle.  A shiny one, if you know what I mean.
#207 by deadlock
2005-08-17 21:01:03
http://www.deadlocked.org/
Px:

Just for my own edification, who manufactures the equipment that your ISP provides? I actually work for a fixed wireless broadband company here and am actually behind one of our connections (I was being slightly facetious about getting a proper connection).

Shall we dance again
In our special way
With our trousers round our knees?
#208 by schnee
2005-08-18 03:20:07
david@snowdesign.com
Jibble.... die.

BOOM shaka laka laka BOOM
#209 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-08-18 11:53:36
erictcheng@hotmail.com
So I find out that the hot Korean girl I asked out (I still haven't gone on the date yet because her brother's in town for the next week...) is taking a drawing class online. She's frustrated trying to learn how to draw by herself so as the gentleman I offered to tutor her how to draw. That'll be a date onto itself.

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#210 by Marsh Davies
2005-08-18 12:08:29
www.verbalchilli.com
Hah. You so smoov.

Why is her brother's presence stopping you? You're a big strapping lad, aren't you?

#211 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-08-18 12:16:18
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Her brother is from out of town visiting. Family's important to me and I want to emphasize that to her by saying I can wait. However, he's still in town next Monday when we were suppose to go out to see improv comedy night, so I'll either have to wait until the next Monday or have him come along.

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#212 by Warren Marshall
2005-08-18 15:49:47
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Have him come along?  Fuck that, reschedule.

#213 by jjohnsen
2005-08-18 15:59:49
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Sounds like a barrel of laughs.  The guy who wants to bang his sister on a date with her brother.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
#214 by jjohnsen
2005-08-18 16:00:35
http://www.johnsenclan.com
each LifeStraw — which uses a combination of mesh filters, iodine-impregnated beads and active carbon to remove particulate matter and bacteria — is expected to cost under $2 and be able to provide a year’s worth of pure drinking water.

Actually, the liberalism of the media - as a general thing - IS a major fallacy. What the media is, is a whore.  -LP
#215 by Ashiran
2005-08-18 16:29:49
No linky!

Nihil nequit.
#216 by Jibble
2005-08-18 17:24:55
is expected to cost under $2

Yes, $2 to produce.  In foreign-aid dollars, you can trade $200 of cash for one life straw.

SANTAK, BANKOROK, TOMATO!
220 lbs.  40 to go.
#217 by Anonymous
2005-08-18 17:38:52
Why are people trying to save human lives in developing countries so desperately? All those countries are heavily overpopulated as is and most of their problems are a direct result of that.

#218 by Jibble
2005-08-18 17:41:50
Bono said so.

SANTAK, BANKOROK, TOMATO!
220 lbs.  40 to go.
#219 by Anonymous
2005-08-18 17:43:33
With all those pictures on that site I'm missing one where a turban headed guy pisses into his LifeStraw tube and sucks the stuff out on the other end, like the bored chimpanzee from the zoo in one of those videos gunpoint posts from time to time. Hilarious.

#220 by Gunp01nt
2005-08-18 17:44:39
supersimon33@hotmail.com
Hey, there's even people calling for the EU to quit subsidising internal food production and stop the embargo on importing food from Africa. Letting Africa into the world economy will allow it to grow economically. Of course, it would mean 80% of the western workforce is out of a job, but think of the poor starving African children!

The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by god. We can now implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms.
#221 by None-1a
2005-08-18 17:48:43
Boy are they missing the boat begging for donations. Stick a water bottle on it and hikers will pay $50 for the thing. The massive profits could be used to send the things to the 3rd world, or just keep em whatever.
#222 by Shadarr
2005-08-18 19:23:43
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I saw an interesting commentary on the situation in Africa from someone who has been an aid worker around the world.  He said one of the reasons Africa is still a shit-hole while other areas have been able to pull themselves out of similar circumstances, is that when the aid organizations set up schools and things the expectation is that the people they train will train others.  In Africa, as soon as they finish teaching someone, they leave.  They don't give a rat's ass about helping their community, they see the training as their ticket out.  So rather than being the snowflake that starts an avalanche, the aid workers are faced with having to train every single person in Africa to make a difference.

You need to work on your micro before you play a Korean.
#223 by m0nty
2005-08-18 19:33:06
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
More to the point these days, from what I hear of my sister (who works in Malawi), the problem is not just people leaving, but those who stay tend to get AIDS, even when they are educated.
#224 by Shadarr
2005-08-18 19:34:28
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
It's time we stopped talking about AIDS as an African crisis and just started treating it as African culture.

You need to work on your micro before you play a Korean.
#225 by bago
2005-08-18 19:50:27
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
GunP0int: Just like India, huh?

Can’t I get somethin’ for nothin’?  What’s with all these tradeoffs?  Developers seem to have too many hands – they’re always talking about “on the other hand…”
#226 by Gunp01nt
2005-08-18 19:52:56
supersimon33@hotmail.com
#225 bago
GunP0int: Just like India, huh?


India is the cause of the loss of the other 20% of jobs in the western world.

The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by god. We can now implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms.
#227 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-08-18 20:00:34
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Have him come along?  Fuck that, reschedule.


I asked her out on a proper date to see a Chinese "action-musical" (traditional Chinese music, dancers and martial artists). The improv night thing was meant to be something more casual.

Sounds like a barrel of laughs.  The guy who wants to bang his sister on a date with her brother.


Yeah... it'll be awkward. I just want to see her again (it's been two weeks) and getting along with her brother would make me look even better in her books.

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#228 by Dumdeedum
2005-08-18 20:07:30
http://www.dumdeedum.com
Eric
Family's important to me and I want to emphasize that to her by saying I can wait.
~
...and getting along with her brother would make me look even better in her books.

Devious plotting won fair lady.

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#229 by Warren Marshall
2005-08-18 20:16:53
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
I'd be weirded out.  Good luck though...

#230 by Warren Marshall
2005-08-18 20:18:57
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Oh and, Eric, if you makes you feel better I had almost the same thing happen with my wife when we started dating.  I took her out once and then she got really busy with a new job starting and other things and I didn't get to take her on a second date for a few weeks.  That sucked but it doesn't mean things can't work.

#231 by m0nty
2005-08-18 21:10:30
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Shadarr (#224):
It's time we stopped talking about AIDS as an African crisis and just started treating it as African culture.

AIDS isn't just an African thing, it's present in large numbers in most underdeveloped countries, especially in rural areas. Apparently it's almost as bad in far-flung parts of Papua New Guinea (which is where my sister might be heading after leaving Malawi next year).
#232 by Anonymous
2005-08-18 21:12:30
Tell her to use protection then.

#233 by m0nty
2005-08-18 21:30:17
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Yeah, she has a guard standing outside her place 24/7 in case of bandits (which are common in Malawi).
#234 by Warren Marshall
2005-08-18 21:58:20
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
Yeah, she has a guard standing outside her place 24/7 in case of bandits (which are common in Malawi).

And she's there willingly?

#235 by m0nty
2005-08-18 23:07:14
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Sure, someone's got to help with the malaria epidemic. That's what she's researching.
#236 by Your Friend
2005-08-18 23:18:58
Eric,

Maybe if you wear your pretty skirt, the brother will want to break some off too.

Someday we'll find it, the rainbow connection,
The lovers, the dreamers, and me.
#237 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-08-18 23:24:22
erictcheng@hotmail.com
I'd be weirded out.  Good luck though...


The Monday improv comedy night is just a casual thing. It was my excuse to see her again (I met her at my buddy's going away get togethers/dinners before he left for a new job in Montreal). It's not a formal date so I'm not all that upset that she wants to invite her brother.

Kilt Wearing Pixel Pushing Monkey Boy
DVD Collection
GameGossip.com
#238 by bago
2005-08-18 23:40:57
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
GunP0int: Funny how there's been steady job growth for the past three years, huh?

Can’t I get somethin’ for nothin’?  What’s with all these tradeoffs?  Developers seem to have too many hands – they’re always talking about “on the other hand…”
#239 by Shadarr
2005-08-18 23:44:17
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
Funny how Bush2 is the first Presidency to see a net loss of jobs since the Depression.

You need to work on your micro before you play a Korean.
#240 by Eric T. Cheng
2005-08-19 00:02:21
erictcheng@hotmail.com
Funny how Bush2 is the first Presidency to see a net loss of jobs since the Depression.


I blame the terrorists.

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#241 by bago
2005-08-19 02:38:19
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
I blame crooks who evaporated billions of dollars.

Can’t I get somethin’ for nothin’?  What’s with all these tradeoffs?  Developers seem to have too many hands – they’re always talking about “on the other hand…”
#242 by LPMiller
2005-08-19 15:41:59
lpmiller@gotapex.com http://www.gotapex.com
Why do that when you can just pick up some Carnation Evaporated Billions of Dollars at any QuikiMart?

"Testiculos habet et bene pendentes" — "He has testicles, and they dangle nicely."
#243 by gaggle
2005-08-25 14:40:57
Caryn, I thought those hands of yours looks swell.



Caryn, if you want to learn to draw, take a figure drawing class and work with real models. The big benefit isn't as much the models as the things you'll see other artists doing, the group/teacher critiques, and the different types of drawing you'll do. In any case, it's great fun, so I'd do it even if you didn't have a professional goal in mind.

Hey I tried that once. Went a couple of times a week for a few months.. or however long it actually lasted. It was.. ah.. averagely terrible. Despite claiming to train anyone, even n00bs, the school failed to impart me with much useable knowledge. Those fast-drawing-of-nude-model sessions in particular were just outright horrible, so.. fucking.. boring. That wasn't neccessarily an inherent problem, I don't mean to say you're wrong in what you suggest, rather due to lacking descriptions as to what the hell we were supposed to learn from it I took little but frustration from the whole experience. Yegods.


Upon mentioning of that Drawing On The Right Side book I was reminded I too own it.. though I never got very far. I think I ran into trouble last time I started on it, the book suddenly called for a bunch of black paper cutouts of varying sizes, a transparent piece of A4 sized plastic with some stuff scribbled on it, a potato with a likeness to Elvis and a pair of ox testicles. I just couldn't find the effort within to go fetch all those items. The thought of being able to put onto paper what I can see in my minds eye remains a fascinating one though, but not unlike what Caryn writes about her skills I, too, have always leaned towards the technical side of generating content. Finding one's inner artist can be a struggle.


I welcome as much blogging on this learning-the-art subject.

"Roses are red, violets are blue. In Soviet Russia, poems write you" - bash.org
#244 by Shadarr
2005-08-25 18:26:43
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
the book suddenly called for a bunch of black paper cutouts of varying sizes, a transparent piece of A4 sized plastic with some stuff scribbled on it, a potato with a likeness to Elvis and a pair of ox testicles.

I ran into that last night.  They sell a kit on their website for $100, but there's no way it costs that much to get it all separately.  I think they include a branded case or something.

You need to work on your micro before you play a Korean.
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